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Flutter, Svelte, Vue.JS, React, Angular — I'm familiar with all of them (since they're the enemy of all that is good and kind) but not to the point that I can recognize their logos.

@Sandra i keep reading good things about svelte from @ nolan @ toot.cafe and @ baldur @ toot.cafe

@meena

Going view source on Svelte apps is just a mess of divs and classes. It's good that there's no virtual dom (or at least start with a real dom). I'm gonna take a second look at Svelte. Thank you.

HTMX and its hatoas principle I like in theory but I wonder that with all the custom attributes it doesn't degrade very gracefully.
Hotwired.dev is the one whose design I like the best, but in practice I've found some weird bugs. I still wanna learn more about it,

Maybe I'm being stubborn but I want wget and lynx and stuff to still work, and hotwired is the one that seems to come closest to that ideal? 🤷🏻‍♀️

I want "JS off" to still look and work the same, and then "JS on" just adds fluidity, speed, removes clicks etc.
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@Sandra

i've used a bit of svelte, and it's alright for being yet another js frontend framework

> Going view source on Svelte apps is just a mess of divs and classes.

this part is also something i'm worried about in the things where i need that kind of interactivity

some time ago i found out svelte lets you edit the generated css classes with the `cssHash` option somewhere in that big web toolchain nobody really understands

but if you *want* a mess of classes, look no further than tailwind

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